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Me and him got along because there was no competition and we really loved each other. We didnt even have to do anything. But I lived in the streets with them. It was a black guy who did it to him, in a fight over a girl. One time we were having a fight and we had a couple of guys up on a roof. He left behind a wife and child. Then another five would do another dance routine, and it became like a fucking dance-off. Or if he was with his mother, we wouldnt say nothing to him. They. If they caught you, you were going to get an ass whuppin. However, in this case below, the violence was actually with another white gang called the Fordham Baldies. We ran out of a restaurant without paying one time, ran down into this building, and they had like catacombs. There was hookers toohookers is what we mostly fucked. He couldnt show up to collect his rent. Who the hell knows whats in your brain? All of a sudden wed start hitting each other. 71.184.65.20 (talk) 19:53, 28 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], That can't possibly be a real gang. I never wore colors. The year given is the year of the film's release or first season of the series. I never robbed anybody. They were knife-happy. They ran books, they stole, they shylocked money They ran the neighborhood, whatever they did. If youre in my club, I take you at face value. After a while, I realized that theynot just them, other clubs toowere being paid by the landlords to burn the buildings for the insurance. It was a gangster neighborhood. Even the cops told my mother one time they knew I didnt have nothing to do with it. So it worked both ways. We spent a couple nights in jail. In the 1950s and 60s the youth gangs in the Bronx, New York, emerged with a particular notoriety.. One gang, the Fordham Baldies were reputed to shave the heads, and other body parts, of those they caught. Not in my memory! On a warm Saturday night, wed all be up on the hill. The Brooklyn clubs were OK, but the clubs from the Bronx and Queensthe Savage Skulls, the Nomadsthey could cause some problems. The story is really about our group of friends, our football team and yes, a rival crowd on the other side of Bronx Park. Ill be honest with you, the Spanish guys had a little more guts than the black guys. The Dukes were on Roebling and South 3rd, over to South 1st. Wrong place, wrong time. There was one place on South 9th where the landlordhe was a Hasidicsaw that as long as we were in the building, none of the tenants complained about the addicts burglarizing them or people shooting up in the hallways or on the roof or anything like that. Some Red Wings attended near-by Benjamin Franklin High School. Now, everybody else has a bike. It doesnt get any worse than that. He got killed a few years later. And I tell you, it was a great fuckin scam. And the drugs? If anything, wed protect them. If you remember the scene where they tied a rope to the penises of two guys on a bridge and threw a cinder block over the side down to the a river, that was the Bronx River near French Charlie's baseball field. When I was growing up, stealing old ladies pocketbooks was the big thing. I go to a funeral now and I dont even cry. The rivalry was like what you see in movies and worse, because gangs back then, the people they hung out with meant more to them than their family. My kid brother ended up dying. We sold it right on the street. Terror, cross-eyed, 150 pounds, six foot four is the war machine of the Fordham Baldies. They werent allowed to date outside girls. Ducking from shootouts and things like that. Forget about iteverywhere you went, every corner, the drugs were there. Like I remember coming home and having my sister-in-law crying, and I would walk in the house and make believe I didnt know why. That was when the Bronx was burning. Mostly it was breaking into factories in Brooklyn. Then you tie the hammer up with rubber bands, pull it back, and let it go. We had colorsblue sweaters. It was an opportunistic thing. A Mother of one of the Lucky Lords was arrested with a gun. It was a bunch of detectives whose primary job was to try and keep tabs on the gangs and see what was going on. Theyd hang around. Houston Street down to Canal, and Bowery over to Lafayette. NYC. It was like one big family. It was on 42nd between Eighth and Ninth in the back of a parking lot. By the time they got there, however, the Baldies had left for their regular hangout on Belmont Ave a candy store called Piggys, hanging out and lolling about on the stoop. After the Kennedy assassination, somebody opened up the door and let the drugs in. Mary Hamilton (l. 14). So I ran down the block, and theres a restaurant there, still exists to this day, and I went into the restaurant because I knew the owner. I joined the gang so I could go out with a guy. Starts out in Immortal (Crazy) Homicide Turf, Coney Island and the Original Nathans, and ends in. The Woodside Chiefs, teenage boys, were self funded. All the gangs recognized and even esteemed one another showing respect. that Farmer was a member of a rival gang called "The Jesters" (It's not known whether or not Farmer was a gang member thougheven to this day). Not many fights broke out there. But down in Chinatown, you could buy a tin of cocaine snuff for 25 cents. Everybody knew who we were. If you want to have a "See also" section where wiki articles on bklyn etc gang-related movies, etc are handled, I guess you could, but I didn't particularly feel the need so I didn't. This let anyone down in the park know you were coming. There were real gangsters around too. They had high collars, buttoned down, and on the back you had RR. But we didnt really go out of our way too much with the sweaters and the costumes. Italians were Italians in those days. Ciappetta and Gugliemelli were charged with 2nd Degree Murder and the others with 1st Degree Manslaughter. Because we were like brothers. NYC Youth Gangs - 1950s. Im 50 now, and I havent been back. The year is 1963 but their experiences are universal: falling in love, surviving in school and defending their turf against rivals like the Fordham Baldies, the Del Bombers and the Ducky Boys. Today, thats what the gangs call itthe Bloods, the Crips, all of them, they call it flagging: I die for my flag. Underneath the hill, there were the train tracks. I got locked up with another friend of mine. That was when the neighborhood was mostly German, Irish, and Italian. Not embarrassed to say I was a member and yes, they were very real. I left it, but recommend changing that line. That was it. I also belonged to a gang from Mount Vernon, a somewhat more serious group. So after a while, he would make an apartment available to us. All the defendants were found guilty and the shooters Ciappetta and Gugliemelli were sent to prison for twenty years. It got to a point where a gang called the Fordham Baldieswho were like the biggest Italian gang in the Bronxheard about us and came down and made us a brother club. Once you drink a couple gallons of that wine, youre ready to go. We had a lot of guys in the gangsometimes we had 40, sometimes we had 60, sometimes we had 100. It was about territory. He suffers from asthma. We buried each others brothers too much. Their turf was around Jefferson Park, 116th Avenue and Pleasant Ave. The apartments were filled with rats and roaches, we had no heat or hot water half the time, pipes were falling down, ceilings were leaking. A Retired member described the Duckies, a gang featured in the Movie "The Wanderer": "The Ducky Gang (not just boys) lol. We went up there and basically we started hanging out and we became the Railroad Boys. We would hang out in these abandoned buildings that we had electricity running into. We had a buyer for every piecenot even from garages. Mario felt partially responsible for his brothers death and it was something that troubled him for his entire life. Unlike the idiotic movie the wanderers, however, they didn't have any blacks in the gang, they went around to other neighborhoods to see if they could find some to beat up. If you had war with somebody, then you could walk around their block wearing your colors, trying to be funny. Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.32.229.106 (talk) 11:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Some shotguns, a .30-06, a .30-30. No matter where you went, even the toughest gangsfuckin Puerto Ricans, blacks, whateverthey wouldnt fuck with us. Eventually, though, it got to where you were lucky to get within a block of each other. If I had to stick you, I would stick you. I remember cars coming by and shooting at the guys, then we would jump in the car and go after them. Or if you get hit with a shotgun, forget it. I saw a lot of people get killed and a lot of people go to jail. We made sure nobody messed with them. A 25 year-old hanger- We had a gang that started in high school. Mario was Ernests brother but passed away a couple of days prior to his son emailing me in March 2012. If they wandered to our side of the park, Bronx Park East or we into their side there was trouble. The 70s was real nice. The 2 external links that I supplied give a lot more detail and documentation, and I suggest that the next editor of this piece start there. I carried guns for them if we had to go to a rumble or something because at the time the police wouldnt check the girls. I turned out to be one of them, and it cost me a lot. It made more money. Thats all you needed, was to have on the back of your jacket: The Majestics. We meet the Wanderers (Italian), the Del Bombers (Black), the Wongs (Asian Kung Fu), and the Fordham Baldies (oversized bald guys). Our big thing was buying cough medicine. Five leather jacket clad Astoria gangs almost mix it up with The Red Wings with Frank that June 1 were John Hall, Louis DePetris, Philip Bonnano, Jerry Santaniello and a girl only known as Bella. It worked the same way for us when we were in their neighborhood. Im 46 now and Im still with this thing. When we were on Lee Avenue there was this black guy. Join Facebook to connect with Fordham Baldies and others you may know. I'll always have the memories of those times. That was my opportunity. What was so funny was that a lot of the people were intermingled, family-wise. And they wouldnt flip colors. If anyone stepped in, (stepped out of turn) he was accounted for verbally and brutally. Dusty Vision TV on Facebook and IG Hit the subscribe and notification (bell) button!BRONX GANGS Of The 1960s - FORDHAM BALDIES Wanderers Ducky Boys Lost Boys of The Bronx James HannonI dont not own the rights to any music in this videoDusty Vision TV Instagram: Dusty Vision TVFacebook: Dusty Vision TVIf you would like to be a guest on my program please email me at dustyangeloddcast@gmail.com or DM me on Instagram \"Dusty Vision TV\"Check out my other youtube channel \"Dusty Vision Radio\"https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQCpoV0wVvjtGQN5ijpjGKACheck out my music. I do think a cross-reference to similar Brooklyn movies (and Mean Streets) makes sense, but as a Wiki neophyte and busy guy, I don't have the time to do it. The book is 6x9 and has 370 pages! First, we need to find some places that we could link to this page, so it gets some visibility. I think I was under that car for half an hour, until I heard my guys yelling my name. Here is what Piggys Candy Store looks like today now it appears to be an Islamic school. Wed cut a hole in the fence, go in the cemetery, and have make-out sessions. Originating in the late 1940s, the Red Wings appeared on the record until at least 1959. I guess some guys, you know, went with them. Me and my brother are probably the only ones that dont have a bike. The '50s and '60's were a time when loyalty actually meant esteem, consequence, and prestige. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronx_gangs_(1950s1960s)&oldid=1101692437, This redirect does not require a rating on the project's, This page was last edited on 1 August 2022, at 09:49. Tully High School seniors Richie, Joey and Perry run with a gang called The Wanderers in the Bronx. It got to a point where a gang called the Fordham Baldieswho were like the biggest Italian gang in the Bronxheard about us and came down and made us a brother club. Everybody else ran. Baseball Baseball: Facebook Baseball: Twitter Baseball: Instagram Baseball: Schedule Baseball: Roster Baseball: News Basketball Basketball: Facebook Basketball: Twitter Basketball: Instagram Basketball: Schedule Basketball: Roster Basketball: News Cross Country Cross Country: Facebook Cross Country: Twitter Cross . Both Frank and Vincent were packing fully loaded automatic pistols. I had a very bad temper back then. It was because of who you were. He was out on the street. I lived on Fulton and Rockaway, which was home to another crew, the Fulton and Rockaway Boys. When this second son was born, Ernests widow moved to California leaving everyone and everything behind. It was something for show. They became my brothers and sisters. Wed get harassed by the cops all the time, but then again, that was a time when if you had a fight on the street, the cops would grab you, kick you in the ass, and send you on your way like, Get outta here. If you drank that, it was like forget about it. This is my hood. We were always armed. I left in Mean Streets temporarily, but I am pretty sure that the Little Italy it depicted was Manhattan's, and therefore it should be out as well. The two toughest guys would fight it out, and that was how it worked. Me and a couple friends of mine went to a hooker. This is how I remember it because I was raised in El Barrio and in Washington Heights from the early 50s and 60s. In them days, it was no big thing. One time, something had happened so I went looking for this guy to get him. But I stole. With a peculiar frequency, a click of the cable remote shows the Fordham Baldies hanging out at the corner of Fordham Road and Grand Concourse, the foot chase through 1963 central Bronx alleyways . Youre walking down the street, you see somebody that you dont like, who isnt in your gang. You dont fly your colors in my hood unless youre in one of my brother clubs. The gang was started around 1955 by the older guys. I doubt anyone walking down the street knew that in 1954 Ernest was killed and Bernard and Angelo were severely injured in a gang war. My brothers were making money selling drugs but I didnt want to get into it. Bernard Caleo and Angelo DiVincenzo were seated on the stoop in front of the candy store, unaware of what was about to happen. You know, if somebody needed to get high, you made sure they got high; if someone got locked up, you make sure when they got out, you threw a party. Even some of the names used are real. He was from the Marcy Projects and he would always come down with a gun. areas at 8 PM. The Fordham Baldies were one of the gangs featured in the movie "The Wanderer". So they kept the neighborhood. on/associate of the Baldies was killed--shot to the head, and two It was just: This is your part of Brooklyn, this is my part of Brooklyn. It got to the point where you couldnt walk outside of a radius of five or ten blocks. The South 9th Bikers turf was around Broadway, from like where the BQE starts at Havemeyer to what was called Jew Town, where the Hasidics start. You push a guy up against a wall with a car, just push him till he hits the wall. They were a big crewwhite gang, mostly Italian. It goes something like this: While at school, a rumour makes the rounds that the Baldies are coming to the school (insert school name here). Students are in an uproar and are on pins and needles, waiting for a Baldy invasion. This was way before anybody was selling drugs. But heres the thing: I was never a member of that gang. We went to Seward Park High School, and it was mostly Jews. Nowadays, everybodys got a gun or a knife. In the 60s, the Puerto Ricans and blacks were coming in like there was no tomorrow. We never had problems against each other, because we grew up in the same neighborhood. It looked like an epidemic had destroyed the place. --rocketrye12 talk/contribs 03:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply], I moved it to Bronx gangs (mid-twentieth century), please mind your capitalization. They yell one word in Yiddish, and everybody comes out the woodwork. In Williamsburg, where we were, it was the Majestics, the Dukes, the Unknown Bikers, South 9 Bikers, Spanish Kings, Devil Rebels, Dirty Ones, and a bunch more. They didnt like me too much. It could be that she had sex with one of the girls guys, it could be that she was just wanting to have sex with one of the girls guys, or she could have just been from another club. You had to have respect. We called ourselves the Italian Dukes. Teenage Gangs Kill One, Injure Six: one shot and killed, one stabbed, and four beaten in a gang fight Sometimes people got hit by cars. Bellagio99 20:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]. If you want to see somebodys colors, you walk around the back and look at them. There would be a fight set up, and we told you to be there at seven oclock. In fact, we protected people. It was the stomping grounds of both the real-life Fordham Baldies gang, immortalized by Richard Price in The Wanderers, as well as where then-presidential candidate John F. Kennedy addressed a. We had the apartment on the first floor and even the old guys from the neighborhood would come in and play cards and dominoes. I only see a couple guys from the neighborhood now. My brother Alex started wearing patches when he was hanging out with this other club, the Dirty Ones. As mentioned above, they were a powerful gang and continued to make their presence known up to at least 1959, which by that time had killed two more times. And I tell you, that was a fuckin fight. You could also take a chimney apartgrab a couple bricks and throw those. You know, you pull it out or you just display it, and people say, OK, were not gonna mess around. Most of the time when you would shoot, you did it not to hurt somebody, but to scare them. Factories close up at night, you break in, get what you want, and sell it. We had nobody left, so we said, Whats the use in fighting? We got to the point where we got older, we had girlfriends, we started getting cars, and we left the neighborhood. It could more than double in size at that point. Little Italy was strictly Italian. You lived in an apartment with four rooms and four people, and it was so close that you really lived in the street because you had to get out of the house. Problem-wise, you know, we had a few here and there. We went for the cheap wine. After a few of them you could do anything. And to make it more interesting, this gang fight happened far from East Harlem it happened in the Bronx in Baldies turf at 189th Street and Belmont Ave. The fordam baldies aka belmont baldies aka baldie mob shaved their heads as far back as the 1940's and hung out at a candy store on belmont between 189th and fordham. Department Chair: Dr. Ipsita Banerjee (JMH 642) Associate Chair: Dr. Joshua Schrier (JMH 616) Administrator: Adriana Magnotta (JMH 642) Ipsita Banerjee, Ph.D. They wear leather jackets with a skull on the back and "FB" (Fordham Baldies) on the arm. We all got along. Everything was about turf. It took a lot of people out. Mostly we drank wine. I have very fond memories of all the people I met there. This was our life. Did it help? I mean, I could have been arrested for date rape a million times. We were never really into robbing people. Plus, if you had a leather jacket on and I shot you, chances are the bullet wouldnt even go through the jacket. Chair (JMH 642) Bionanotechnology, Biochemistry, and Nanomedicine. Theres still a lot of people around. Jumping back in Giampettruzzis Cadillac, the five Red Wings headed back to Orchard Beach. We had a clubhouse. There would be 20 or 25 of them and 20 or 25 of us. Next thing you knew, youd be fighting. When I was in Spanish Harlem, the guys in gangs wore silk jackets with their name on the front and the club name on the back. 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